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#26 19.10.2009 16:38:35

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Sent, 22-2-1904. 7-35 p.m.

    Hayashi,
        London.

No. 145. Indefinite stay of a Russian man-of-war in Shanghai being not only in flagrant violation of Chinese neutrality but serious menace to general commerce as well as Japanese shipping, the Imperial Gov't. instructed Consul-General Odagiri to demand of the Chinese local authorities to have the war-vessel withdrawn from the port within 24 hours as prescribed by Chinese neutrality regulations. In the meantime, a branch fleet consisting of Akitsushima, suma and Idsumi was sent out with the Russian ship as objective. Akitsushima having proceeded to Woosung Feb. 19th, while the rest stayed 80 miles off the river mouth. Consul-General Odagiri added to his demand that the Japanese man-of-war would also be prepared to leave Woosung in 24 hours. Whereupon Shanghai Tao-tai notified Russian Consul calling upon the Russian man-of-war to leave the port within 24 hours commencing from 5 p.m. 20th February. The matter was eventually reffered referred to Peking and I instructed Minister Uchida to urge Prince Ching in the matter. The latter Uchida telegraphed Feb. 21st as follows:-
    No. 89. ([] "the following ..... Odagiri also" [] aked [])
    No. 90. ("urgent. in continuation of my telegram 89" [])
No. 146    I instructed Feb. 22nd Minister Uchida as follows:-
    No. 175. ([])
    No. 176. ([])
The above for your strictly confidential information. RokuGokoshi.

        Komura.

 

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Dated, Peking, 23-2-1904. 7-46 p.m.
Received, 10-20 p.m.

    Komura,
        Tokyo.

    101. In reference to your telegram 175, I saw Prince Ching Feb. 23rd and made formal demand and declaration as instructed. He promised me to take necessary steps at once to satisfy our demand. He also answered me that Russian Minister to China has not yet received from Alexieff instructions referred to in my telegram 93.
    I have telegraphed the abave also to Consul-General Odagiri.

        Uchida.

 

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Dated, Berlin, Feb. 23rd, 1904. 12-30 p.m.
Received, Feb. 24th, 2-18 a.m.

    Komura,
        Tokyo.

    82. In reference to your telegram 175 and 176 to [], in case the Russian man-of-war should not leave Shanghai and in event of belligerent action taking place there, as it might lead to disagreeable consequences, will you not authorize me also to confidentially inform beforehand Ministaer for Foreign Affairs of the steps we have taken in the matter.

        Inouye.

 

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Dated, Peking, Feb 24th, 1904. 6-25 p.m.
Received, 9-20 p.m.

    Komura,
        Tokyo.

No. 103.
    [] came Feb. 24th by order of Prince Ching to inform me that [] called on Russian Minister to China Feb. 24th and has made arrangement that the Russian man-of-war at Shanghai will be disarmed leaving guns, rifles and ammunition in the care of Municipal Council and that Russian Minister will solemnly promise by writing to the Chinese Government that the man-of-war will not leave Shanghai until the conclusion of the war. [] asked me if that arrangement would be agreeable to Japan. I told him that Japan can not be satisfied with only such arrangement but that she demands removal of machines necessary for navigation or the transfer of man-of-war to Chinese control.
    Above telegraphed to Consul-General at Shanghai.

        Uchida.

 

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Sent, 25-2-1904. 1-15 p.m.

    Uchida,
        Peking.

No. 185. In reference to your telegram 103, you are instructed to say to Prince Ching that the Imperial Govt. will be satisfied with the arrangement made between [] and the Russian Minister to China, as they consider it to be the best that the Chinese Govt. could secure under the circumstances. You should add that the Japanese cruiser now at Woosung will be prepared to leave the place as soon as it hes been definitely authoritatively ascertained that the proposed arrangement has been carried out in good faith.
    Telegraph the above telegraphed to Consul General Odagiri, for his guidance.

        Komura.

 

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Dated, Shanghai, Feb. 25th 1904. 2- p.m.
Received, 5-10 p.m.

    Komura,
        Tokyo.

No. 51. [] addressed note Feb. 22nd to Russian Consul General, requesting him as follows:
    If the Russian man-of-war has nothing to do with war, her arms should be dismantled and placed under care of Imperial Maritime Customs, or her principal machines will be removed. The arms and machines will be removed at the end of war. In case above request will not be complied with, man-of-war will be ordered. (!?)
    The above is for your information.
    []
        Odagiri.

 

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Dated, Stockholm, Feb. 25th 1904. 4-50 p.m.
Received, Feb. 26th, 7-10 a.m.

    Komura,
        Tokyo.

No. 8. Swedish Minister for Foreign Affairs told me that Russia ( []? ) to settle the question of Mandjur by the sale to France.

        Kurino.

 

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Dated, Peking, Feb. 25th 1904. 6-45 p.m.
Received, 10- p.m.

    Komura,
        Tokyo.

No. 105. URGENT.
    Your telegram 158 185 received afternoon Feb. 25th, but during the morning [] came on behalf of [] and asked the same question made by [] Feb. 24th. I repeated the same answer made to []. British Minister to China confidentially told me that French Minister to China has been suggesting to Russian Minister to China the removal of machines necessary for navigation. Under the circumstances I hope you will leave this question with me.
    The above has been telegraphed also to Minister Uchida to Consul General Odagiri.

    Uchida.

 

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Dated, Peking, 26/2 1904. 6-22 p.m.
Received, 10-14 p.m.

    Komura,
        Tokyo.

    107. Regarding Russian man-of-war at Shanghai [] told me that Feb. 26th that [] again visited Russian Minister to China and made arrangement to land large part of the crew leaving the ship in care of a few sailors besides disarming man-of-war. Foreign Office will send me necessary dispatch quite consistent with reply of the Russian Minister to China on the matter. I declared that if that arrangement is faithfully carried out Japanese men-of-war will leave Woosung. When I receive that despatch I will further telegraph to you.
    I telegraphed the above to Consul-General Odagiri.

        Uchida.

 

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Dated, Peking, March 1st 1904. 8- p.m.
Received, 11-58 p.m.

Komura,
    Tokyo.

    113. Have sent following telegram to Consul-General Odagiri. In reference to your telegram 26, Russian Minister to China, after referring to Admiral Alexieff, answered to the Chinese Government that the Russian man-of-war at Shanghai will be disarmed and that she will not be permitted to leave there before conclusion of war. Russian Minister has also consented to send large part of the crew ashore, leaving the man-of-war in the care of a few of them. Wai-wu-pu have therefore communicated Feb. 28th above to [] and [] and instructed them to carry out disarmament in conjunction with Commissioner of Customs and the Russian Consul-General, the arms so removed to be kept in the Customs and to make necessary provisions for the housings of the crew. As soon as Wai-wu-pu learn that the above have been carried out they will officially report to me the result. You will also telegraph me at once as soon as the arrangements have been faithfully carried out.

    Uchida.

 

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Dated, Shanghai, March 2nd 1904. 6-10 p.m.
Received, 8-50 p.m.

    Komura,
        Tokyo.

No. 63. Regarding Russian man-of-war, [] was instructed by Foreign Office Feb. 29th he should ([]?) [] ( Breach block of guns ) shall be taken away, principal machinery is to be removed, all rifles and the greater of the crew should be landed, and the vessel should not be allowed to leave before conclusion of war. He sent note same evening to Russian Consul General for that purpose but until this time no answer received. [] confidentially asked whether Japanese Govt have no objection to keep all the crew on board the vessel in order to prevent possible disturbance they may cause on land. To this, I answered that it is impossible to make any change to the arrangement made in Peking.
    The above telegraphed to Minister Uchida.

        Odagiri.

 

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Dated, Shanghai, March 3rd, 1904. 7-25 p.m.
Received, 10-10 p.m.

    Komura,
        Tokyo.

No. 66.
    I learn from reliable source that [] ordered [] to proceed to [] but it is not known whether they will do so. It is reported that Russian Consul General here replied to Shanghai Taotai that instruction to disarm, to remove principle machinery and to land half the crew has been received. Russian Consul will arrange details March 3rd with the Commissioner of Customs who is reported to be of opinion that all the crews had better kept on board.
    Odagiri.

 

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Dated, Shanghai, March 3rd 1904. 8.30 p.m.
Received, 11.50 p.m.

    Komura,
        Tokyo.
            No. 67. Regarding Russian man-of-war it has been ascertained that nothing is found about removal of principal machinery in the Walwupu's instructions to Shanghai Taotai and also in the Russian Consul General's reply to Shanghai Taotai. You will see therefore that information from Shanghai Taotai as stated in my telegram 63 is partly not correct.
   
    Odagiri.

 

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Dated, Peking 4 March 1904. 4-45 p.m.
Received, 7-30 p.m.

    Komura,
        Tokio.

    68. In reference to my telegram 67, [] told me that captain of Russian man-of-war has consented to extracting breach-blocks from guns, landing arms and removing principal machinery of engines under the supervision of customs commissioner. ( []? ) is of the opinion that after above arrangements have been carried out, there would be no longer any necessity of landing crew as it may create uneasiness and disturbance, and therefore he has requested Local Authorities to telegraph Peking in hat sense. He asked me to tehegraphe you on the subject. I replied to do so as a matter of courtecy. The above telegraphed Uchida
    Odagiri.

 

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Sent, 5 3 1904 7.30 p.m.

    Uchida,
        Peking.


No. 219
In reference Consul-General Odagiri's teleg. 68 to me, as the landing of the crew did not form part of our original demand, it is deemed desirable that the matter should be settled without further delay if all other points mentioned in the telegram above referred to me faithfully carried out.

    Komura.

 

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Dated, Peking, March 6th, 1904. 4-00 p.m.
Received, 6-35 p.m.

    Komura,
        Tokyo.

121.
    In reference to your telegram 221, I have telegraphed to Consul-General Odagiri at Shanghai as follows:
    In reference to your telegram 31, in compliance with request of [] made to me March 6th, I gave my consent to the arrangement as mentioned in your telegram and told that if that arrangement is carried out I have no objection to keep the crew on board warship as [] going to instruct local authorities by telegraph in the above sense.
    I hope you will be now able to conclude the matter.
        Uchida.

 

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Dated, Shanghai, March 8th, 1904. 5-20 p.m.
Received, 7-20 p.m.

    Komura,
        Tokyo.

    72. I have been informed March 7th by [] that he requested Russian Consul-General to land breech-block, arms, ammunition and principal machinery, asking me to request Japanese mean-of-war to leave []. I replied that upon inspection of the arms etc. landed I will telegraph at once to the superiors, so that the departure of the crews cruiser will be ordered. I called attention of [] to the landing of torpedos.
The above is telegraphed to []
        Odagiri.

 

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Dated, Shanghai, March 9th, 1904. 11-25 a.m.
Received, 1-6 p.m.

        Komura,
            Tokyo.

No. 73.
    I am informed by [] that he has requested [] to send to Shanghai a small gun-boat on which the arms etc. from Russian man-of-war will be kept.
    The above is also telegraphed to Minister Uchida.

                Odagiri.

 

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Dated, Shanghai, March 10th 1904. 4- p.m.
Received, 6-20 p.m.

    Komura,
        Tokyo.

No. 75. In reference to the Russian man-of-war, French Consul at Shanghai, at the request of Russian authorities, told me March 10th that the greater part of crew on board Mandjur will be sent home by French mail, if no objection is raised by Japanese Govt., and that before their departure written pledge will be given that they will not partake in the present war. He therefore asked me to ascertan opinion of Imperial Govt. Waiting for full instructions on the matter.

            Odagiri.

 

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Sent 16 March 1904.

    Odagiri
        Shanghai
No. 93.
    In reference to telegram 85 you may consent to the shells being kept on board the man-of-war.

            Komura

 

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Komura Tokio  Mar. 15 1904
No 85.

    Regarding Russian man-of-war, disarming is being carried on (неразб.). Breech block have been removed and (?) kept in the Customs House godown. About 3000 packages of powder, ammunition etc were taken on board [], old Chinese man-of-war. (неразб.) in charge (неразб.) March 16th to upper storage + rifles + machinery will be removed. Customs people, fearing accident, want (?) to keep shell on board Russian man-of-war. May I give consent to this?
    The above also telegraphed to Uchida.

        Odagiri.

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Dated, Peking, March 16th 1904. 6-46 p.m.
Received, 9-50 p.m.

    Komura,
        Tokyo.

No. 139. At the interview with the Ministers of Wai-wu-pu March 16th, I pressed them to send again instructions to Shanghai Taotai to terminate speedily Mandjur affair, to which they agreed. What instructions have you sent to Consul General Odagiri about the sending away of the large part of the crew by French steamer and about keeping of shell on board Mandjur?

            Uchida.

 

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Sent, 17-3-1904. 5-50 p.m.

    Uchida,
        Peking.

No. 242. In reference to your telegram 139, Consul General Odagiri was instructed to consent to the sending away the crew on written pledge not to partake in the present war and further to the shells being kept on board Mandjur.

            Komura.

 

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Вот такой интересный список. Осень 1905г. Все бы ясно,но откуда там орловец. Или это с Орла-ГСП? Ведь вроди экипаж Орла-ГСП отправили на Костроме в Шанхай?
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