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#501 11.12.2018 19:32:28

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Re: Картины на тему.

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Похоже народы моря неудачно место для десанта выбрали.
https://a.radikal.ru/a15/1812/80/709e3b733a93.jpg

 

#502 13.12.2018 22:51:07

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Re: Картины на тему.

https://b.radikal.ru/b21/1812/9f/87d48e533536.jpg  Свалка.


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#503 14.12.2018 12:07:45

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Re: Картины на тему.

Юрген написал:

#1327775
народы моря неудачно место для десанта выбрали

Вот не понял кого имели ввиду. лодьи похожи на викинговские, шлемы с рогами... но дреуние египтяне!? :O

Strannik4465 написал:

#1328270
Свалка

А зачем галлере балконы за форштевнем!?

Отредактированно Aurum (14.12.2018 12:10:26)


«Небывалое бывает»
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#504 16.12.2018 17:06:13

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Re: Картины на тему.

Aurum написал:

#1328319
Вот не понял кого имели ввиду. лодьи похожи на викинговские, шлемы с рогами... но дреуние египтяне!

Я этот же вопрос (по другой картинке) задавал на 18 странице, т.е. еще раньше (сразу не врубился сам), получил четкий ответ от ув. форумчанина Юг.

Отредактированно Юрген (16.12.2018 17:10:23)

 

#505 09.01.2019 17:56:05

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Фреска скораблями найденная в Македонии.


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#506 10.01.2019 19:58:45

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Сиракузы 414 год до н.э.


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#507 11.01.2019 05:52:29

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Re: Картины на тему.

Взято из публикации:
The Ships from Herodium
Yaacov Kahanov, Deborah Cvikel, Silvia Rozenberg, Yakov Kalman, Rachel Chachy and Roi Porat

Фрагмент фрески из Геродиума, Израль, где довольно изображены римские военные корабли.

https://d.radikal.ru/d41/1901/fc/194cf6d1c773.jpg

Выше сам фрагмент и ниже его подробное  описание из публикации.


https://b.radikal.ru/b14/1901/f2/4b054e2ad70at.jpg


The first ship

    Numbers in brackets refer to figure 2. The full square sail is the most prominent feature of the first ship. The ship is running in a moderate to fresh breeze (Beaufort scale 4–5, about 17 knots, or 32 km/h), with the apparent wind blowing from its port quarter. The sail is fully open (not reefed). The yard is noticeably curved, the result of the stress exerted by the sail; and may be a drawing convention to present a sail from this direction. The curves of the sail’s foot and leeches clearly express the sailing conditions and the strength of the wind. The horizon is clear, and the sea is smooth, calmer than the impression given of the strength of the wind.
   Several lines depicting running rigging, but not standing rigging, are visible. Four ropes from each side of the masthead (eight altogether) are shown connecting the masthead and the yard. They represent a halyard (1 and 5) and lifts (2, 3, 4, 6, 7 and 8).4 A round item, the masthead sheave for the halyard, appears in the section of the mast above the yard.
   The top section of the mast, up to the masthead (MH1), is long and thin, and ends with an indistinct feature. This could be a decoration, similar to the pinecone-shaped masthead of the right-hand ship represented in the Torlonia relief,6 or a votive figure used as a wind-vane.
    Four lines (9, 10, 11 and 12) extend from below, diagonally upward and to the right, towards the foot of the sail, in front of the mast, in front of the figurehead of the second ship (F2) and aft of the figurehead of the first ship (F1), but do not continue as far as the sail itself. These lines are interpreted as the spears of the warriors on board the first ship (and see below).
    A curved line (13 and 13a) connects the port end of the yard (to the right as seen by the viewer) in front of the sail, to the deck. This is the port back brace (preventer
brace, opisthypera).8 Two lines (14 and 15) are shown diagonally below the sail, aft of the mast. They could have been spears, perhaps belonging to the second ship (see below). However, if they represent ropes connecting the foot of the sail and the hull, for controlling and adjusting the foot of the sail, it is the first representation of such ropes in the Mediterranean. The Kyrenia Liberty, the second replica of the Kyrenia shipwreck,9 uses similar ropes for practical reasons.
    The sheet which holds the port side clew of the sail (left side of the sail, lower corner, lower right-hand side of the viewer) is well expressed by a line (16), thicker than the other lines.10 Apparently a similar idea is the thick dark line which runs along the foot of the sail and the starboard clew at an angle towards the hull.
   Two relatively thick lines are connected to the starboard side of the yard (23a, 23b and 24). The short line 23a extending downwards from the yard may be connected to 23b. Thus, 23 could have been a starboard brace. Apparently 24 was the starboard back brace (preventer brace, opisthypera); alternatively, see brails of the second ship below.
    No reefing fittings are visible on the forward side of the sail, which would have chequered it with sail-strips and brails, with lead rings or similar fittings made of wood. Reefing fittings may perhaps be indicated by the short wavy horizontal lines on the sail. This is also found in some other images of sails.11 Several diagonal lines (33, 34, 35, 36[?]) are visible between the starboard leech of the sail (the vertical left side of the sail as seen by the viewer), crossing the mast of the second ship, and converging towards the hull. These are the reefing brails of the sail.
    Standing rigging is not shown, and was probably ignored by the artist. Shrouds were rarely represented, although they had a major function, and their non-appearance is a significant omission. Apparently this was done to simplify the representation of the rigging.
    Four heads of warriors (W1–W4), three equipped with shields and spears (four spears are shown: 9–12), appear at the bottom of the scene. W4 is shown down to about the knees, including a shield.
    The dimensions of the warrior figures in ship 1 in scene 1 are exaggerated, but not as disproportionately as in other similar representations of the period.14 A rough estimation of the ship’s length is about 20 metres. If calculated based on warrior figures compared with available representations, it is significantly shorter. Due to the lack of measurable illustrations of warships equipped with sails, merchant ships were chosen for the comparison. The data collected, in arbitrary relative units (for normalization), are shown in table 1.
    Normalizing and averaging the dimensions results in a ratio of mast length to overall ship length of 0.8. Considering the dimensions of warrior W4, the overall length of ship 1 is about 14 metres.
    Three lines curving upward are shown at the left-hand side end of the painting. They probably represent the stern ornament (aphlaston) of the first ship.  Similar representations are known from the Roman world.15 Slightly forward of  the sternpost, there is a bicoloured object (40). It could represent a warrior, but it seems to be elongated and rectangular. A more likely interpretation would be the top section of the loom of the starboard quarter rudder.
    The stems of the ships (F1 of the first ship and F2 of the second ship) with the figureheads are similar. They are adorned with a ribbon, apparently a commissioning pennant (vexillum). This is well known from other representations of Roman ships.

The second ship

    The second ship is only partially shown, as it is behind the first ship, while the hull is in the unrestored lower section of the depiction. It is also equipped with a square sail. The sail is furled; and more of the lower part of the mast is exposed than that of the first ship. Although the second ship is very near to the first ship, her (furled) sail does not mask the sail of the first ship. Mast, yard, running rigging, and stem with figurehead are well portrayed. Warriors, apparently belonging to the second ship, as well as their spears, are also shown.
    The halyard and lifts (26, 27, 28, 29, 30 and 31) are visible. Two diagonal lines (14 and 15), mentioned above, appear below the sail of the first ship, aft of her mast. They are apparently spears or running rigging belonging to the second ship. The top of the mast, up to the masthead (MH2) is long and thin, but its end is unclear. It was probably similar to that of the first ship.
   The diagonal lines (37, 38, and perhaps also 36 and 24), which are discernible between the sails of the second ship above and the hull below, grouped towards the hull, are the brails of the furled sail of the second ship.17 The starboard sheet of the sail of the second ship (39) is clearly visible, similar to the sheets of the sail of the first ship. It is thicker than other lines, and darker than the sail.
    At least one warrior (W5) belonging to the second ship is visible aft of her mast. Four vertical lines (18, 19, 20 and 21) are visible between the hull below, and the mast and sail of the second ship. These lines are interpreted as the spears of the warriors on board the second ship.
    As mentioned above, item 40 could represent a second warrior of the second ship, but it is more likely to be the end of the loom of the starboard rudder of the first ship. The figurehead of the second ship (F2) is aft of the figurehead of the first ship (F1), and is similar to it.
    Three warriors (W1, W4 and W5), equipped with spears and shields, seem to be standing. This is not realistic, as in the sailing conditions exemplified by the sail, it would have been impossible to stand with this equipment for more than a few minutes. Although warriors are seen standing on board Roman oared warships when not in combat,18 these seem to be ceremonial occasions, but cannot be a real sailing situation. This seems to indicate that the purpose of the depiction was to make an impression, rather than to show realistic details...


Восстановление фресок идет до сих пор и, вероятно, это изображения будет впоследствии дополнено другими найденными фрагментами.

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#508 11.01.2019 23:12:19

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Re: Картины на тему.

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#509 14.01.2019 19:19:37

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Ассирийские корабли.


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#510 16.01.2019 20:35:03

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#511 17.01.2019 20:24:59

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Сиракузы.


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#512 18.01.2019 21:08:44

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#513 18.01.2019 21:25:08

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Re: Картины на тему.

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Морской бой гладиаторов
https://c.radikal.ru/c31/1901/2e/6ef214b94c48.jpg

 

#514 20.01.2019 18:14:11

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#515 23.01.2019 08:32:25

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Древний Египет
https://c.radikal.ru/c07/1901/94/d6df7c53beec.jpg

 

#516 26.01.2019 19:12:55

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#517 29.01.2019 21:59:38

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#518 31.01.2019 15:44:50

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http://d.radikal.ru/d22/1901/3a/1156a69d7261.jpg


Сражение при Эгоспотамах (405 год до н. э.) — последняя битва афинского и спартанского флотов во время Пелопоннесской войны. Это сражение решило исход войны в пользу Спарты.
В 406 году до н. э. исход войны всё ещё не был ясен. Афиняне смогли сплотиться после катастрофы на Сицилии и одержать ряд побед над спартанцами. В ходе кампании 411—408 годов до н. э. афинский флотоводец Алкивиад вернул под контроль Афин стратегически важный регион Черноморских проливов, через которые в Афины перевозился хлеб. В 406 году до н. э. афиняне одержали последнюю крупную победу в битве при Аргинусских островах.
Афинский флот, базировавшийся на Самосе, по-видимому, был неактивным в течение года после битвы при Аргинусах, вероятно, из-за отсутствия средств для выплаты жалованья морякам. В 405 году до н. э. спартанский флотоводец Лисандр двинулся к проливу Геллеспонт с целью перехвата торговых судов, идущих в Афины из Чёрного моря. Афиняне последовали за ним в Геллеспонт. Им необходимо было победить спартанский флот, так как Лисандр перерезал жизненно важный для афинян торговый путь из Чёрного моря в Эгейское.
После нескольких дней стояния Лисандр воспользовался утратой бдительности афинян и внезапно атаковал. Афинский флот был почти полностью уничтожен. Силы Афин были исчерпаны — не осталось ни флота, ни воинов, ни денег, ни надежд на спасение. Вскоре войска пелопоннесцев под командованием обоих спартанских царей и их флот окружили Афины и после многомесячной осады принудили город к капитуляции, завершив тем самым Пелопоннесскую войну.


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#519 06.02.2019 23:04:47

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Re: Картины на тему.

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Высадка римлян в Британии
https://d.radikal.ru/d41/1902/83/b884e9f1ff17.jpg

 

#520 12.02.2019 17:07:49

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#521 18.02.2019 20:28:52

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#522 19.02.2019 21:22:50

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#523 21.02.2019 16:10:23

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Десант
https://c.radikal.ru/c07/1902/a9/105681bd153f.jpg

 

#524 23.02.2019 21:04:37

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#525 24.02.2019 20:40:18

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