Странно от Вас слышать вопрос, который неоднократно освещался - и в книге "Советский подводный флот" и в работах про "щуки".
У Щ-208 - 211 был ДШК, у остальных черноморских "щук" Х серии - два 45-мм орудия.

lupodimare89 написал:

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Well... I guess it's something can be credited as a combined operation for the naval front? even if the proper personal credit should be for Ruotsinsalmi&Louhi

U-676 and U-745 sunk on the field Vantaa-3, which was laid by both Finnish minelayers on 12.01.45.

lupodimare89 написал:

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If I translate correctly it seems an interesting case.

You understood all correctly. I can't add something to this info.

lupodimare89 написал:

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while minesweeper M-421 by own German mine (Kolberg field)

No, she also sunk on a RAF mine.

lupodimare89 написал:

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On 7 February 1945  The first interesting case is loss of icebreaker "Pollux" (4191 GRT). Old claims by L-3 mine, it should be instead sunk on air-dropped soviet mines. Right?

Also the british field - «Tangerine 2» in this case.

lupodimare89 написал:

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Another good case could be   R-177 lost on 28 February 1945.
Location unknown to me, but a description say "soviet mine"

A british ground-laid mine in АО9475

lupodimare89 написал:

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A less clear case seems the loss of cargo "Marie Ferdinand" (1757 GRT)  occurred close Libau in mid-January OR mid-February (second one should be correct).
(I know old sources wrongly claimed it to soviet sub. ShCh307).

"Marie Ferdinand" accidently stranded on 10.1.1943 off Libava

lupodimare89 написал:

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Losses of Vs-1014 and Vs-301, once claimed by Lembit, were actually caused by British mine on 18 March and Soviet aircraft on 19 March.

I haven't documents about sinking of this ships.

lupodimare89 написал:

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However it is still a bit unclear the loss of Vs-343: it is state (among many town.ural.ru) that ship went simply missing on 25 April.

No, this ship was sunk by the soviet air attack off Rixhoft on that day.

lupodimare89 написал:

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On 22 March 1945 loss of cargo "Frankfurt" off Hel peninsula. RAF-mine too? (chances that it was from L-21 field need some confirmation of exact impact location of mine)

She sunk by the soviet air attack.

lupodimare89 написал:

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On 23 March 1945 loss of M-3138: old claims by L-3's mines, should be by air-dropped soviet mine.

She sunk due collision with TF-9 off Neufahrwasser

lupodimare89 написал:

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Should actually be mines from Soviet aircrafts?

Yes.

lupodimare89 написал:

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which aircraft were used in mine-laying?

Those were Il-4 and A-20 from 1st guard mine-torpedo air regiment.

Анатолий написал:

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по моему это просто невежливо к окружающим!

На мой взгляд, никакой невежливости по отношению к окружающим тут нет. Не стоит забывать, что это все-таки моя персональная ветка и обращаются ко мне, а не ко всем присутствующим. Меня вопросы на английском не задевают, поскольку нравится нам это или нет, но именно он выступает в качестве языка международного общения.

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lupodimare89

Dear lupodimare89 All orderly. Understood.
Excuse me for my invasion in the personal correspondence.

Мирослав Эдуардович, не подскажете судьбу черноморских БДБ "F 394" и "F 395". На Маринеархиве (http://www.historisches-marinearchiv.de … _value=718) пишут, что эти баржи были потоплены советской авиацией в апреле 1944 года в Ялте, в вашей части справочника по ВМФ Германии вы их в потерях не числите.

С уважением, Фёдор.

Hello again!

Once again beginning of work on Black Sea was delayed by new things I find on Baltic Sea.

I found a very old source (Богатырев Сергей Вадимович) list of successes, full of mistakes and partially corrected online in 2007.

Still some peculiar events!



1941
27 June — ТР Клаус Рикмерс (1924/5165 брт), Виндава, захвачен и потоплен. / Claus Rickmers, Rickmers Reederei, A.G., Гамбург, стоял в Виндаве с неисправными машинами и затоплен при оставлении города, немцами впоследствии поднят /

Exactly was happened?
A German ship in Soviet harbor at beginning of war, but German crew scuttled her, or Soviet boats (guard boats?) attempted to seize her?




And then some other mine incidents for 1941/1942


1941
9 September — ТЩ R-58 (1538/110 т), 59°59' с.ш. 29°45' в.д., мина. Поднят. / Тяжело поврежден миной и отбуксирован в базу /

If I am right, coordinates make little sense!
It's basically.... Kronstadt and this could not be right.




1942
25 November — тнк ВМС Нордзее (б. Людвиг Фридерико) (1903/654 брт), 59°28',6" с.ш. 24°48',2" в.д., мина. Поднят 23.7.43. / NORDSEE, утонул при буксировке 28.12.42 /
Aerial mine? Or even some of the old ones left by MARTI  ?
However ship should have been actually sunk on 28 December 1942 while under tow, and then recovered on 23 July 1943

Thank you very much!

As I know, this ship was under repair in Windau, when the war begun. Its crew was arrested by the soviet authorites on 22/6/1941. Ship was scuttled on 27/6/1941, later raised by Germans and repired.

I guess no seizure by some local soviet vessel then, but local harbor guards-police ...

She didn't sunk, only damaged on the soviet defensive field. 60.12 N/28.28,5 O

This is still very interesting because should be the ONLY damage inflicted to enemy by these defensive fields? (the fields Lavensaari-Banki Seyvyaste- Kurglovo).
Also we could restrict and identify who laid the northern mines close Banki Seyvyaste ?

I've a line about minelayer "Kalinin" and "Ural" with smaller vessels laying mines probably there on 16 July 1941.
But I've also "Marti"  and DD  "Leningrad", "Silnyy", "Stoykiy", "Grozyashchiy", and netlayer Onega laying mines outside Kronstadt (a bit generic) on 23 July 1941

Too far to the west, by my mind. I neve heared about this loss from the soviet hand earlier.

Seems a bit unclear to me (also no general mention of ship in usual internet sources) so maybe it was just a temporary accident of some kind.

Hello again and thanks for you corrections!

Finally I can start make some questions regarding Black Sea mine warfare, and here there is much interesting data.

The first interesting incident is about the loss of aux. minesweeper FR-12 occurred on 11 October 1941.
(other two sister ships, FR-5 and FR-6 were lost earlier on soviet air-dropped mines).
On FR-12, igor long time ago wrote me about loss occurred on Bulgarian S-39 field.

But... this could be a mistake? Because ship was lost even northern than Danube eustuary.
I've a first coordinates as: 46 ° 09'N 30 ° 38'E.
However revised coordinates ( http://www.wreck.ru/1-2/38.html ) say about 46 ° 04'E 30 ° 28'N  (that is very close the shore).

Generally speaking the area at the time had fields laid by soviet surface ships, on specific I read of a field of 70 mines laid by destroyer "Shaumyan" and minesweeper Tszcz-413.

What is your assessment?

Thanks, and this is very interesting!
Pity we don't know more in detail, on sovnavyww2.aiq.ru there are different groups of schooner-like boats mentioned as used in Black Sea, but a number of them went in operation only in 1942 (for Kerch operations) and none were directly mentioned as minelayers.

I guess it was something like this:
http://sovnavyww2.aiq.ru/small/typ_pmsh.htm
Some of the last boats ("Beluga", "Komsomolets", "Komsomolka", "Mackerel") are said to be in service in 1941 and to take part in Odessa operations, but nothing more.



Concerning another less-seen case, it occurred on 19 December 1941
A German "explosive cutter" (I guess some kind of minesweeping device?) exploded in Varna during for unclear reasons.
It's not exactly clear if it was a accident or not.

http://i.imgur.com/pzEWxsa.png

Thank you for your research!

(Also I exploit these few days I have, being able to work more a bit on these days).


Another mysterious loss for 1941 was the romanian tug Locotenent Stoicesku disappeared on sea after leaving on 28 December 1941.
Main guessing was due storm (also igor said it), and checking German record it gives good weather for 28 December, but rough sea (force 7) the next day.
Not much else is said, my guessing is storm.


Another more interesting case is the damage suffered by MFP F-130 on 29 April 1942 (next year, but I write it now because it's the same area).
It is interesting that in the english translated KTB there are multiple data, including the impact point of mine reported as
46°N, 30°25’E
While the MFP grounded herself at  40° 50.5’ N 30° 16.5'E
On the other hand, the KM site gave a different grounding point, at  45°52,5' N  30°15,5' E
This second one seems more close to the coast.

However the first data (impact point) is interesting because it's not that far away from the field that caused the loss of FR-12 (less than a Km).
Additionally the KTB gave  a description of the mine as
"small round drifting mine"


(PS: As soon as I find them again, I can provide you pictures).



On a old Question&Answers you mentioned a field from gunboats "Red Georgia" and "Red Adzharistan"
What it is your assessment now?

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Книги по ПЛ я уже коллегам/шоферам вслух прочитал...
Им было откровение...
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