ЗИС написал:

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аэроснимков м. Панагия периода Эльтигенской десантной операции?

Панагии нет, к сожалению

Станислав Долгов написал:

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от Бугазской косы и до м. Тузла.

Есть Соленое озеро 22.10.43:


М.б. еще Гадючий Кут интересен (тоже 22.10.43):

Станислав Долгов написал:

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Жаль по Солёному оз. привязок нет

Вот здесь это

Андрей Ярославович, нет ли данных об оснащении береговых батарей на таманском участке? Знамо только о корабельных орудиях на Панагии (743-я), но были же и другие батареи (4-е единицы если не ошибаюсь)

Андрей Ярославович, вопрос "в догонку": известно ли расположение немецких арт (зенитных) батарей на участке от Тузлы до оз. Солёное. Пока знаю про то, что на склоне у оз. Солёное была батарея которая препятствовала высадке нашего десанта.

А. Кузнецов написал:

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с зенитными батареями в этом отношении совсем плохо

Я с ходу не вспомню источник, но про батарею на Солёном упоминалось, как про "восемь восемь".

Hello!  (sorry my english)
I'm the italian guy making some research for posts in the italian forum ^^
May i make a pair of questions regarding some other skirmish in black sea?  (i thank you again for the previous replies on Morozov page)

On 5 December 1943 we have a clash reported by MFPs  against soviet units. Igor confirmed me identity of TK-13, TK-53, TK-82 and TK-105, with TK-53 that launched torpedo and missed target.
German themselves admit in KTB to have suffered 2 badly wounded and 7 light wounded.
It's known to you identity of German MFPs involved? Especially the ones that took casualties.



Walking back at 1942 (ever in Black Sea), there is another event that still has some lacking.
On 23 October 1942, Igor confirmed me  that soviet motor torpedo boats TK-73 and SM-3 made a failed attack against Anapa (Germans confirms that torpedoes found no target). However the German KTB reported that german MTBs were returning from (unsuccessful) mission and found the two MTBs moving away.
They've reported to have attempted chasing them but were strafed and forced to return. Soviets made no claim of clash against MTBs but talking with igor it's seems possible that soviet MTBs perceived the german motor torpedo boats fire as coastal MG fire and could have strafed back while retreating.
What you could adds about this event?
It's further interesting that the KTB reports how S-49 had the commander badly wounded (and another sailor more lightly) with widespread light damages on multiple MTBs.
It's known to you the identity of all the German MTBs and which ones  were (lightly) damaged?

At night 22/23.10.42 TKA-73 and SM-3 [non-serial MTB] made a raid against Dvuyakornaya bight (not Anapa, north of Iwan-Baba near Feodosia). No successes, German coastal batteries claimed 1 MTB sunk (untrue). During the attack Russian boats had divided and returned separately. Almost immediately after start of the return trip SM-3 was attacked by 4 German MTBs (S102, 49, 26, 28). After 45-minute fight (1 hour according to German report) Schnellboote turned back. Commander of S49 was badly wounded in the head, 1 man had a light wound, Schnellboote had some minor damages. SM-3 hadn't any damage or losses.

Отредактированно А. Кузнецов (12.01.2014 19:35:25)

Андрей Ярославович есть такая информация:

самолеты ИЛ-2 вылет на задание 29.03.1943 г.
(пятерка Ил-2 47 шап ВМФ (МАГ НОР), ведущий - майор В.Х.Кунях, ведомые: ст. лейтенант А.В.Малышев (воздушный стрелок ст. краснофлотец Г.С.Мирошниченко), старшина П.Ф.Щербаченко (воздушный стрелок ст. сержант П.А.Скородумов), капитан И.Г.Коваленко, ст. лейтенант И.Н.Скорик должна была произвести бомбоштурмовой удар по плавсредствам и живой силе противника в портах Тамань и Гадючий Кут. Удар нанесен в порту Гадючий Кут.
С боевого задания вернулся только ведущий майор Кунях.
Четыре Ил-2 с задания не вернулись.
Источники информации:
1. Гиляревский В.П. Война: Морские летчики. О боевом пути 47-го штурмового авиаполка ВВС ВМФ. В 2-х томах. — 1992.

Данных о месте гибели звена нигде не нашел. Могу ошибаться, но на суше в местах гибели самолетов в Темрюкском районе везде стоят памятники. Насколько верно предположение, что 4 самолета лежат в Таманском заливе?
С уважением.

lupodimare89 написал:

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May i ask you what's your section of naval warfare in which you specialize ? 

Naval war during WW2 in East-European waters mainly.

Hi again. There is an event that i think could be a bit important to be checked.
I've already wrote it here (last post http://tsushima.su/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1357&p=6   ) waiting for a reply from Morozov, but i remember you wrote an article about soviet ASW during the war.
Well... concering the loss of U-367 Morozov had removed it from the victories of L-21 because (igor told me) was found a communication of the submarine on day 15.3 that was already in Danzic Bay.

Well.. this group of polish divers actually inspected a submarine wreck classified by polish marittime authority in 2001, they dived in 2013 and took photos and videos and all seems to indicate that it was actually the U-367 and the location of the sinking should really match with the field of L-21
http://forum-nuras.com/printview.php?t= … 67fe2221a2
http://vimeo.com/78585591

An interesting element it's that according their inspection the wreck lie at shorter distance with T-5 then the distance between T-5 and T-3.

The diving was made in September 2013 so it's a very recent event.


What do you think about this event and these new elements?

About wreck position i had read about uboat.net that even if seems to have a number mistakes or unclear things (especially reguarding allied boats), should have tracked back most of the U-boats lost in the different places (the known ones, of course).

http://uboat.net/maps/baltic_sea.htm
Apart U-367,  i've noticed only U-670 as sunk without a position disclosed (sunk on 20 August 1943, collision with ship Bolkoburg), but position it's given as well away from the peninsula of Hela.

Another detail i've got from some observation on Google earth it's that the wreck point even if it's  basically in front of the peninsula,  the peninsula itself make a smooth curve on north-west: if the submarine was following the route, it could have reported to be in "Danzic Bay" if it considered the passing of the extreme point of the peninsula.
If the submarine's commander used to consider the headland of the peninsula as point to evaluate the position as having reached the Bay, the reported position could make sense, considering himself already out in the bay.
Also submarine could have slowed its speed just because spotted mines. If i'm right the message seemed at first a report about mines, and not a call of immediate SOS.


It could help of course knowing the exact location of the wreck of the two torpedo boats according this modern polish evaluation.


EDIT: Morozov showed  the Ultra data about the issues of this events: http://www.tsushima.su/forums/viewtopic … 57&p=6
It's a pity that this mystery seems hard to be exposed (identity of sub, german messages, etc..)

Отредактированно lupodimare89 (18.01.2014 19:56:17)

lupodimare89 написал:

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There are some other sources that could mention a depth charging attack made by Tashkent (or some other ship, maybe the minesweepers) during the night of 26/27 or early morning of 27 ?

Just check it and couldn't find any fitting attack. But I not saw the very Tashkent's documents.