Hello again!

I've found some unexplained events concerning engagements in Black Sea.
For all of them has been some lack of details on the discussions on axis history forum.

1)
31 August 43
At H 03.45
Eboats claim to have sunk a gunboat  (armed with 45mm).
Location:  air grid square 87175
No german causalities.
Two German 20mm guns out of order after a barrel premature
One 40mm gun out of order (not said the cause, if it was too by accident, or by soviet hit).

Nothing was found on soviet side about this event


2)
2/3 November 43
up 10 meetings reported between MFPs and soviet units
Germans claimed  1 landing craft sunk, 1 motorgunboat set afire, 2 other motorgunboat damaged.
Igor found that there was a clash reported on soviet side with SKA Nr. 081 and TKA Nr. 43 with 3 enemy watch cutters. No results.
Germans however report "minor damage" on multiple MFPs, sadly it's unclear which ones. It's known to you?
Engagement reported with use of hand granades and close quarter.


3) 4 November 1943
During the engagement that resulted in the sinking of TK-101 and damage on TK-81 (last one escaped) near Eltigen, Germans reported that their involved units were R-boats (not S-boats as i've often read) and that they suffered causalities (2 KIA, 1 heavily WIA, others lightly WIA) and several hits reported.
I've failed to find the exact identity of the 3 R-boats

Tor написал:

Оригинальное сообщение #765682
Интересует Ваш вклад в Главу 5 "На северном фланге".

За исключением главы про оборону Либавы, остальные главы писал В.В. Абатуров. Дело в том, что в окончательном виде работа сформировалась только на момент сдачи в издательство - предложили добавить материал, он и добавил эту главу. С ее содержанием я ознакомился только после выхода и с сожалением отметил, что там есть огрехи.

С прямого разрешения Мирослава Эдуардовича отвечу.

Hello,

lupodimare89 написал:

Оригинальное сообщение #765615
1) 31 August 43At H 03.45Eboats claim to have sunk a gunboat  (armed with 45mm).Location:  air grid square 87175No german causalities.Two German 20mm guns out of order after a barrel prematureOne 40mm gun out of order (not said the cause, if it was too by accident, or by soviet hit).Nothing was found on soviet side about this event

It is probably one of the most infamous actions of the E-Boats. Their opponent was KATSh-182 (ex launch tug "Sevryuga") with 1 MG 12.7 mm. During the 30-minute clash KATSh-182 had 1 bullet hit only.

lupodimare89 написал:

2)2/3 November 43up 10 meetings reported between MFPs and soviet unitsGermans claimed  1 landing craft sunk, 1 motorgunboat set afire, 2 other motorgunboat damaged.Igor found that there was a clash reported on soviet side with SKA Nr. 081 and TKA Nr. 43 with 3 enemy watch cutters. No results.Germans however report "minor damage" on multiple MFPs, sadly it's unclear which ones. It's known to you?Engagement reported with use of hand granades and close quarter.

At least F446 and F578 had minor damages.

lupodimare89 написал:

3) 4 November 1943During the engagement that resulted in the sinking of TK-101 and damage on TK-81 (last one escaped) near Eltigen, Germans reported that their involved units were R-boats (not S-boats as i've often read) and that they suffered causalities (2 KIA, 1 heavily WIA, others lightly WIA) and several hits reported.I've failed to find the exact identity of the 3 R-boats

R37, R204, R216

Best regards,
Andrey

Thank you very much at both!

AAG написал:

Оригинальное сообщение #767481
В БЧС № 1 сказано, что за КБФ на 1.06.41 числились 14 76-мм пушек Л-10 и 8 1927/32.

На какой странице? Я нашел на с. 119 запись о 14 пушках Л-10 и 76 образца 1927 г., причем в боковике четко написано "орудия береговой артиллерии армейского образца".

AAG написал:

Оригинальное сообщение #770589
с 22 танками БТ-7А, которые в 1940 были переданы из КА в 1-ю ОБрМП. Чуть позже их заменили на Т-26, но неиспользованные пушки так и остались.

Весьма интересно, но вот на 25 апреля 1941 года в 1-й особой бригаде МП КБФ в танковой роте числось 12 танков Т-38, а БТ-7А и Т-26 когда там были на вооружении??

maslopoop написал:

Оригинальное сообщение #771125
Просто интересно - за что снизили и кто "посмел"?

Вероятно, реакция на пленение ГСС Лисина. Матиясевичу и Кабо ГСС не дали точно по этой причине.

AAG написал:

Оригинальное сообщение #771379
Где они могли быть?

Спасибо
БА-20 жд - это скорее всего для жд батарей
А так много чего бронированного в КБФ передавали - даже Т-18 для Усть-Лужской укр.позиции.
Т-26 были на Ханко и на Гогланде
А вот входили ли БТ и Т-26 в состав 1ОБМП ?

Уважаемые друзья, просьба основать отдельную ветку про танки в ВМФ и разместить ее в соответствующем разделе.

Hello again!
If it's not bothering here i've found some other lack of details for the naval clashes in the Black Sea ^^

Once again i've to thanks igor for having provided the main chunk of informations:



night of 9/ 10 November 1943
A clash between MFPs against soviet units that was moving to the beach-head. Soviet units involved were SKA-082, SKA-0102, TK-96 and TK-114.
Damages of different degree is reported on some soviet units (all of them?), but i don't know which ones (also a small landing craft was sunk).
Worth to say that also on night of 10/11 November TK-96, TK-114 and SKA-082 were involved as escort of another small convoy and suffered damages (i think all of them).
On all the engagements Germans didn't report losses or damages.



Night of 20/21 November 1943
TK-94 and TK-114 are escorting convoy formed also by BK-321,  5  barges and 1 aux.minesweeer.
During the engagement was sunk the soviet barge n°29. Despite the soviet claim of one sinking (denied), it's still reported that Germans MFPs  suffered light causalities among them.  Sadly it's not known the actual number, degree and on which units.



Night of 21/22 November 1943
A similar event: once again TK-114 on sea together BK-306 with a convoy of 4 barges and one landing craft. Once again during this fight the Germans reported that "some" of their MFPs got superficial light damages (once again it's not said how many and which of them). Also the barge n°28 has been reported to have rammed a German MFP: it's also interesting that the Germans too claim that a MFP rammed a target, so it's possible that they rammed each others (or collided) getting some damage on both of them.
Also here i've no data about the identity of MFP involved in the collision.

Thank you very much! Such informations are very kind gifts ^^
I will adds your name too as reference obviously into the italian forum...
BTW i also made  a little mistake for engagement of 10/11 Nov, it was the SKA-098 that night, while SKA-082 was on previous night.
And about PVO-29 it's ok, it was Germans that claimed it but they often made a bit overestimated claims.

I'll be in touch if there are other interesting events (engagements with at least some damages inflicted or suffered) that lacks basic details.
Thanks again ^^

Спасибо, Вас также с Новым годом!
Откуда у Вас данные о гибели этого корабля 4 мая 1945 г.? Мне судьба этого корабля не известна.