ЭМ Z-34 - 16.4.1945 торпедирован ТК-266, 269 («Комсомолец») на якорной стоянке у м. Хель (Данцигская бух.) !!!!!

Отредактированно Кибардин Г.А. (24.01.2025 10:44:34)

Кибардин Г.А. написал:

#1637020

Короткевич Никодим Андреевич (ТК-269)
https://m.pamyat-naroda.ru/heroes/person-hero107293620

Солодовников Вениамин Васильевич (ТК-266 - предположительно!)
https://m.pamyat-naroda.ru/heroes/person-hero93743761

Отредактированно Mike DuGalle (24.01.2025 18:03:43)

Botik Petra Velikogo написал:

#1370542
герм. БДБ F 302 + 2.10.1943 в юж. части Керченского пролива мина
герм. БДБ F 315 + 2.10.1943 в юж. части Керченского пролива мина

«F 302» при патрулировании Керченского прол. подорвалась в 6,5 милях ю-в м. Такиль.
«F 315» подорвалась при оказании помощи «F 302».
(=12 и +5 из членов экипажа)

Информацию взял отсюда (только мины приписаны МТА):
https://dzen.ru/a/ZpkcpyxiTV9mnNv_?ysclid

Являются ли эти данные правильными (кроме происхождения мин)?

PS: И есть ли данные, какие ТКА выставляли мины?

Отредактированно Mike DuGalle (30.01.2025 20:05:33)

igor написал:

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С М.303 проще - его утопил ТКА-241 (Шерстюк)

Данных по Шерстюку найти не смог. Точно он?

Greetings, i think on ULTRA files there is some interesting details for a TKA fighting i've not seen well described elsewhere:

There were two consecutive encounters between 17 and 18 February 1945, in Baltic:

From DEFE3-539-187  and DEFE3-539-1039

B: SS 'LINA FISSER', 'RO.22' AND 'GOUWE',
ESCORTER BY V.303, 1705, 310 AND TS.7
LEFT GDYNIA AT 1300/17/2_FOR LIBAU VIA WAYS 76-1 AND 'NORDBAHN', SPEED 8 KNOTS.:
THE CONVOY WILL BE OFF LIBAU AT 0700/18/2

-- AT 0545/18/2 ATTACK BY 4 M.T.B's ON V 1705's CONVOY, ON 1705 ONE MAN DEAD, 7 WOUNDED, 2 OF THEM SERIOUSLY, ONE 3.7 OR 4 CM-HIT IN OIL BUNKER.

This seems to match with one TKA attack, from the Chronicles four TKA under command the chief of staff of motor torpedo boat brigades encountered a convoy reportedly at 7:47am of 18/02: 4 transports, 2 patrol ships, 1 minesweeper, 1 patrol boat: claimed 2 merchants sunk while two TKA collided to each other with some damage.
I am unaware of identity of these boats, except that TK-158 may have been among the ones present 

Then from DEFE3-538-983; DEFE3-539-064 ;DEFE3-539-1039 ;  a second convoy was attacked

AT 1600 M 328, ((29)), MINDEN, DEUTSCHLAND TO LIEPAJA, WAY 'OSTENDE', 12 KNOTS [1]. -- MTB ATTACK IN SQUARE AO 6778 [2]. -- AT 0600 ATTACK BY 4 MTB's ON M 328's CONVOY. NO EFFECTS. AFTER STAR SHELL FIRE MTB's TURNED AWAY MAKING SMOKE. -- WHILE M 328 WAS ENTERING PORT A MINE EXPLODED ASTERN OF HER IN 5631.03 NORTH 2054.6 EAST. SLIGHT DAMAGE

This seems to match with the earlier separate(?) attack:
On 17 Febraury, 3 TKA departed Sventa at 17:45, under cover of two Yak9. At 19:47 three miles from Libau discovered 2 enemy patrol ships and up to 7 patrol boats.
Forced to put smoke when they were met by intense cannon and machine gun fire. At 09:18 four Il-4 under escort of six Yak9 attacked convoy directed to Libau claiming 1 minesweeper. Same convoy repeatedly attacked later.

It's worth to note that DEFE 3/539 - 1039   indicate the two separate clashes as occurred at "05:45" and "06:00", in both cases against 4 soviet MTB
Both could have been the attack on V-1705 convoy

There is some other info about the exact identity of the attacking TKA? And maybe a better refined-corrected hours of the attacks? Could not find the name all TKA on chronices.
Could be worth to investigate the damage on V-1705: casualties aside, the ULTRA seems to imply the "3.7 or 4 cm" hit was done by TKA and not by other means (air attack?).
Obviously this kind of damage is fitting larger-caliber guns, but it's maybe possible it was an unexploded torpedo dud hit.

igor написал:

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    This seems to match with one TKA attack, from the Chronicles four TKA under command the chief of staff of motor torpedo boat brigades encountered a convoy reportedly at 7:47am of 18/02: 4 transports, 2 patrol ships, 1 minesweeper, 1 patrol boat: claimed 2 merchants sunk while two TKA collided to each other with some damage.
    I am unaware of identity of these boats, except that TK-158 may have been among the ones present

TK-158 wasn't here. Participated TK-57/60/181/182
There is no data about any artillery ammunition spend in this fighting by TKA, nor about they fire's opening at all. TKA were armed with 20-mm SHVAK or Erlikon cannons.

Big thanks for their identity and info!
Yeah it seemed weird for me the size of the hit as well... one possibility it's that V1705 was hit by an unexploded torpedo dud.
The Ultra doesn't report damage or casualties by air attack, or any air attack occurring at the same time of the encounter.