lupodimare89 написал:

#1220837
Soviet indeed used coastal artillery of 85mm to hit Uusimaa or could have been the action of 76mm  from  MBK-505?

No MBK involved in that action. From the soviet side took place 4 BMOs (512, 520, 524, 522), 1 MO-4 (101), 8 TKAs (10, 16, 26, 36, 56, 166, 196, 197), later rejoin 1 MO-4 (104) and two or three SKA D-3. BMO-524, TKA-56, 197, 166, 10, 16 took some damages from gunfire.

lupodimare89 написал:

#1220837
27 November 1944

Ask Andrej about this action - he knows it better.
http://tsushima.su/forums/viewtopic.php … 5#p1150345

Это катер 11-бис серии зав. №514, сданный промышленностью в ноябре 1939 г. на БМ и отправленный на ЧФ. По данным Бережного первоначально получил №11, а 13.11.1940 перенумерован в №45, с которым воевал до момента своей гибели.
№40 на начало войны на ЧФ носил катер 10-й серии (зав. №423). Этот катер с 6.8.1942 имел №101 и также погиб в Керченском проливе 4.11.1943. Может все-таки то, что Вы нашли это ТКА №101?

Thanks again for your replies ^^

No MBK involved in that action. From the soviet side took place 4 BMOs (512, 520, 524, 522), 1 MO-4 (101), 8 TKAs (10, 16, 26, 36, 56, 166, 196, 197), later rejoin 1 MO-4 (104) and two or three SKA D-3. BMO-524, TKA-56, 197, 166, 10, 16 took some damages from gunfire.

There are no details on their possible effect of Soviet fire? Finnish report damaged due coastal artillery, do you know if such batteries indeed opened fire and scored hit?

Thank you again! ^^

This battle is quite interesting for having the Soviet  side involved all the type of weapons (ships, aircraft, coastal artillery) and in the end repulsed a quite strong enemy formation.



Another couple of possibly interesting engagements from Baltic Sea (all info from english-translated KTB):



21 June 1944
"On its way to Piisaari"
NETTELBECK   plus   4 AF, 4 R-boats   versus  Soviet patrols/TKA and aircrafts.
Germans claim "2 aircrafts shot down and 1 soviet patrol boat set afire"
"Nettelbeck damaged by blind bomb but had to be towed to Helsinki."
M-29 damaged (not clear by who) and “has to be docked”.
Other units keep on fighting: claim destruction of "landing crafts on the shore".
Many air attacks.
R-120 and R-119 damaged (by who?), AF-49 had “guns out of action”.



2 October 1944
"landing  in Oesel. Island of Keinas under fire."
“One of our own assault boats has not returned”.
This "assault boat" is a confirmed loss? It match with some known soviet claim?


Thank you again!

lupodimare89 написал:

#1225204
2 October 1944

Better ask Andrej

Павел ЕМНИП рассматривал учения с 1935 г., а до того ничего заслуживающего внимания не было в силу очевидной причины - флот малый и состоявший из старых кораблей. Ни современных надводных кораблей, ни достаточных и современных ВВС до конца 30-х у Балтфлота не было, поэтому и отрабатывать там было особо нечего, кроме боя старых ЛК + ТКА на МАП в восточной части ФЗ.

In the first German squadron (M-29, Nettelbeck, four R-boats) had battle with two soviet cutter groups: from Lavensari (TK-41, -101, -111) and from Seskari (TK-86, -136, -65, -124, BMO-505, -509, MO-124, -203, -303, BK-502, -504, -506). Battle was short because German unit was attacked by Il-2s (in all 79 planes). 13 torpedoes missed, but both big ships were damaged by VVS and withdrew. Only TK-86 was damaged from soviet side by near miss of 105-mm shell.

Later new German suqadron (AF-9, -35, -37, -49) went to Piisari to the entrance in strait between Piisari and mainland. They had engagement with BK-505 (Germans claimed her as "soviet patrol boat set afire"), which suffered some damages due to near miss. German AFs had one men injured due to bomb near miss from Il-2. After that German unit went to Tiurinsaari.
Later the German staff dicided to dispatch unit (now from four AF and R-119, 120, 72, 76) inside of the strait and destroy all landing crafts on the shore. In the first attack AF-49 received heavy damages from costal artillery and withdrew with AF-35. In the second attack were damaged by the same reason R-120 and R-119. AF-9, -37 went away due to ammunition shortage, R-120 due damages. The rest R-boats made the third attack. In all they attacks Germans heavy damaged a smoke screen cutter, a cutter-minesweeper and two soviet landing crafts.
The Finnish gunboats and cutters didn't entered the strait and suffered some losses from Il-2s attacks - Aunus and MTB T-6 damaged, MTB T-1 damaged, got fire and later blew up. Only Viena shelled the empty soviet anchorage on the eastern coast of the strait, but hadn't some sucesses against ships.

Thanks for the interesting reply and explains! It seems once more the soviet aircrafts saved the day (like it happened for my last question).







I had time this weekend to look back at my file with the research for mine warfare in Black Sea, and I have other cases to expose you (moving finally to 1943).


19 December 1942
MFP F-336 sunk;  MFP F-538 sunk while attempting to save first ship.  MFP F-536 (slight lead, to be towed).
Location:  45 ° 14,1 'N 36 ° 25,8 'E
On F-538 1 survived, 1 wia, 13 mia.
On 20 December it is said "Aerial dropped mines suspected". On 22 December it is pointed that F-538 struck a mine "Outside the fairway".
It is confirmed as aerial-dropped by soviet sources?


2 January 1943
MFP  F-162 sunk
Location: 45 ° 14,1 'N 36 ° 25,8 'E   (Kerch)


12 January 1943
Tug "Franz Haniel-24" (22 tons) at Kerch.


14 January 1943
Tug "Franz Haniel-25" (22 tons) at Tuzla Spit.


15 January1943
Tug "Dusseldorf" (50 tons), same place, Tuzla spit.

Same day?
http://www.historisches-marinearchiv.de … _value=195
SF-218 heavily damaged (crew lost?). Apparently it was the same place?
All these past losses seems related to the same location/field, but there is no indication I found about their origin (boats or plane).



24 January 1943
Loss of MFP   F-323
45 ° 13 '8 "N 36 ° 25' 9"
14 KIA. Only 2 survivors. Heavy loss of lives because mine exploded right under the ship’s stern and most of crew was below deck.
Actually wreck probably located at: 45 ° 13.693'N 36 ° 25.948'E
Germans describe it as a "Non-contact mine"



Interesting details for the field laid by L-24 off Yalta in January 1943.
Germans located it and swept 8 mines on 23 January, and other 8 mines on 24 January, with no further mines found
It should means 4 mines undetected, but no known loss can be claimed by this field, if I am correct.



PS:
Take all the time to need and only if you can, to check these cases.
Thanks again

Thank you again for your replies!

14 January 1943
Tug "Franz Haniel-25" (22 tons) at Tuzla Spit.
15 January1943
Tug "Dusseldorf" (50 tons), same place, Tuzla spit.

Internet,an old russian list of 1992 (added them just in case), possibly it's all a "mixing up" the loss of Franz Haniel-24 ?


Checked now the February data, again thanks for your efforts and patience!


1 February 1943:
R-165 swept 4 submarine-laid mines
Each mine was 150 metres apart.
Location: 44°  21.8',     33°  49.5'
It could be old L-4 field?


Indeed on KTB there are further more detailed info for Tug "Haniel-24"
On 12 February it reports:  sunk off the south dock of Kerch due explosion after explosion, cause not discovered"
However it also report that: "Could scarcely be a non-contact mine in view of the shallow water (3-4 metres). 2 wia (one serious)"



17 February 1943
Loss of F-473.
In past this loss has been claimed to submarine's L-5. Later denied, on axishistoryforum igor wrote years ago that you labelled it as possible.
From KTB extra info is: "F-473 struck a drifting mine west f chape chersonese. Commander and 11 men killed. Towed in port."
MFP appears to have been only damaged (not sunk) but not repaired.
What is your current assessment of this loss?




23 February 1943
Loss of F-143.
Coordinates could be: 45 ° 13'5''s.sh / 36 ° 26'1''v.d.
Extra info from KTB: "struck a mine and sunk on the coastal route south of Kerch, near Eltigen.
Entire crew of 12 was lost. Was carrying 34 inactive UMA mines.
Intended to be laid as part of section K-4 (this means there are only 102 mines available on 3 ferries)"
Interesting loss due the temporary importance for mine-carrying mission.


26 February 1943
It appears 2 distinct events from KTB:
" F-471 detonated a mine at a distance of 10 metres on the route between Kerch and the fish-salting works. No damage or casualties. Kossa Tuzla  "
" One heavy combined operation ferry was badly damaged near Kossa Chuckha by an exploding mine "
The "heavy combined operation ferry" was possibly a Siebel craft? (english-translation of the term).

however I also found that on that same day was apparently lost the Pionierlandungsboot 353
http://www.historisches-marinearchiv.de … _value=197
But I am not sure of the location, it is possible she was the one mentioned in KTB?

Простите пожалуйста, но хоть это может и не совсем по Вашему профилю, но вы очень много работали с первичными документами РККФ. Интересует такой вопрос, попадалось ли Вам определение СКР Ураган как миноносца. Именно в наших документах?
Заранее спасибо.

Botik Petra Velikogo написал:

#1249151
Нет, не встречалось, хотя я не считаю себя большим специалистом по данной теме.

Спасибо большое!

Уважаемый Мирослав Эдуардович,  перечитывал Паттерсона по шнелльботам, наткнулся на потопление 22.06.1941 Хайнцем Хаагом на S-31 нашего траулера РТ-24 "Щука"    ("Вентспилс") подрывными зарядами. Вспомнил, что это фото действительно встречается по действиям 3-й флотилии на востоке. Посмотрел "Атакуют шнелльботы" там этой потери нет, почему так получилось?

Dianov написал:

#1256748
перечитывал Паттерсона по шнелльботам

Что это за книга, как она точно называется и какого года?